Debate on the number of ministers

The debate on Wednesday on my amendment to the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill to reduce the number of ministers  can be read here.  Bear in mind that it took place at committee stage of the Bill.   It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Government decide to do by the Report stage.

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About Lord Norton

Professor of Government at Hull University, and Member of the House of Lords
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10 Responses to Debate on the number of ministers

  1. Carl.H says:

    This has to dealt with, it cannot be left to “possible” later legislation it is too important an integral part. The absolute power that would be gained without a reduction would never be let slip.

    Once the 600 is passed there is no guarantee any bill regarding the matter would be forthcoming and the Government appear to be hedging their bets when individually they have spoken otherwise.

  2. ladytizzy says:

    The Hansard link above has the following:

    “My starting point is different. My contention is that there are already too many Ministers. Reducing the number of Ministers exacerbates rather than creates a problem.”

    Surely the second use of the word ‘Ministers’ should be ‘MPs’?

  3. Frank W. Summers III says:

    Lord Norton.

    The US has a reported population of 309,975,000 people served by 435 representatives for about 712,586 persons in each constituent district. The UK has 62, 041, 708 served by 650 MPs which comes to 95,448 persons per constituency. Neither number is the number used to derive or track the ratios by governments. These are my numbers. Six hundred MPs would bring the UK to a number of 103,402. I think some effort would be made to create greater uniformity while in the US uniformity of population is almost as absolute State boundaries will allow. Nonetheless, the UK will preseve some diversity. I favor radical reforms including diversity of size and many other things and the expansion of our House to 800 seats which woulod create an overall ratio of 387,468 persons in each constituency. It is interesting that while I favor almost doubling our House and the UK government favors shring you HoC I think a similar balancing test could drive one to favor both attempts. The ministers are similar. It is a good to have ministers perhaps but after a while their sheer weight in voting makes one look silly as regards the charter one fulfills in the eyes of many — and that is very bad. I wish your Lordship well in his efforts.

  4. tory boy says:

    Lord Norton can you tell me which report recently looked into the issue of a retirement age for peers can you send me a link to the report please!

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