Royal succession

I did a post in January on the moves to dispense with male preference primogentiture (the first born son succeeding) in favour of absolute primogeniture (the first born child succeeding) for the monarch.  This is again in the news – I did an interview for the BBC PM programme last Saturday – and I see several people reached this site by typing ‘royal succession’ into their search engine.  Indeed, the BBC mentioned that they had seen the post. 

However, what rather amused me was that someone reached the site by typing in ‘royal succession Lord Norton of Louth’ .  As the late Richard Wood once said when his name was mentioned in connection with the Conservative Party leadership, ‘some of my friends have ideas above my station’.

About Lord Norton

Professor of Government at Hull University, and Member of the House of Lords
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10 Responses to Royal succession

  1. franksummers3ba says:

    Lord Norton,

    I have heard there was controversy over whather Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark had really been replaced by a Princely title that did not involve Consort in the mix. Some seem to suggest that he is either Duke of E. or Prince Consort only. Now I wonder is there another reason why “Prince Philip” is a confusing term in the UK?

    • Princeps Senatus says:

      Prince Philip renounced his Greek & Danish titles & citizenship in 1947, before marrying the then Princess Elizabeth. At this stage, he was just Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten, RN . The day before his marriage, he was raised to the peerage of the United Kingdom, as among other titles, the Duke of Edinburgh. He was however not given the rank or title of prince till 1957. In that year, Her Majesty gave him the rank of a Prince of the United Kingdom.
      He has never been a Prince Consort, a title created only for Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria.
      So, his titles in chronological order were
      Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark – 1921 to 1946
      Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten RN – 1946-47
      The Duke of Edinburgh – 1947 to 1957
      Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh – 1957 till date
      In my opinion, considering the coverage of the royal family in the media in the UK, I doubt that there is any confusion about his titles in the UK.

      • franksummers3ba says:

        Princeps Senatus,

        How could I doubt the judgement of the self-proclaimed Prince of the British Senate? However, I will concede that my clearly very serious minded choice of words may not have been entirely accurate. On the other hand have you seen any of the “man on the street” questions of British subjects about these matters? They are not usually as bad or embarassing as when our citizens are questioned about our country but they come close at times. No confusion, may be a pretty large stretch as well. I imagine confusion is pretty well epidemic among large segments of humanity everywhere…

  2. Princeps Senatus says:

    Dear Lord Norton,
    Can I inquire about how did you find out about the precise search terms that people used to get to your blog?
    Also, are you a member of the Lords Information Committee?
    And as an aside, your lordship could request other members of the Lords Information Committee, such as Lords Erroll and Selsdon, to contribute to the Lords of the Blog website.

    • Carl.H says: blogs give some details of refferers including search engine terms.

      • franksummers3ba says:

        Carl H.,

        Now that you bring it up (a little bit) I occasionaly Google or otherwise search commenters who have whole names on this blog. But the results have been very mixed so far. I wonder if David Rostron is related to the South Australian. But yes, WordPress provides a surprising amount of data.

      • Carl.H says:

        Frank, I think in the future a lot of people will rue the days of Facebook and it’s ilk. Far too many people put far too much personal information online and someone, somewhere out there is listening and watching all. You may think this is paranoia but I believe it true, be they Chinese, Russian Mafia or Nigerian scammers, information is priceless.

        Search engines, Social network sites and other places have access to a great many peoples details and information about families and how people live. It is said 4% of the population are psychopathic now, although it maybe more, these people are watchers, they know information is control and therefore power.

        As with anything powerful created in the concept of good it can be turned around and used for evil purposes, we need to be vigilant and teach others to be careful with information. There are very few of us in society with nothing to hide.

    • Lord Norton says:

      Princeps Senatus: As Carl.H mentions, the WordPress dsahboard enables me to see the search terms used to reach the site. It also lists referral sites as well as statistics on the number of views per day.

      I am a member of the Constitution Committee and also the Merits of Statutory Instruments Committee. I was approached about serving on the Information Committee, but it meets at the same time as the Constitution Committee and even I cannot be in two places at the same time. Lord Renton, when he was Chairman of the Information Committee, did do some guest posts on the blog. Lord Erroll would certainly be an obvious person to have as a blogger, given his expertise in the field.

  3. Carl.H says:

    From Bodicea, Elizabeth I to Victoria, the great (perhaps the strongest) sovereigns of our Nation appear to have been Queens. Royalty is a lesser power now and there is no reason why women should be second class even in this realm.

  4. Carl.H says:

    A fantastic day for the Country who all lived the fairy tale through William & Catherine, the latter looking absolutely stunning.

    Lifted the spirit of the nation and showed that we are still very proud of our Royal Family and the pomp and ceremony. The Worlds eyes were on Britain and the happy couple, they did not disappoint.

    Cheers to William and Catherine, may your marriage be long and happy.

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